Sat, Nov 23, 2012
Subject: DC RV Meetings but Okie Oil Man Silent
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Doc What we are hearing from the high rate short term opinions is more emotion than fact especially when you look at this situation from a macro economic perspective. And believe us this is the way the global economic community is looking at it. First and foremost fiat currency needs a functioning stable government in order to maintain its value. Secondly it needs some level of GDP to back it. Right now the GOI is not completely stable and in our opinion this is why chapter 7 has not been fully lifted. Also HCl has not been finalized which is the main revenue source right now. [post 1 of 2….stay tuned]
11-24-2012 Newshound/Intel Guru BGG Article: "Release of 16 female employee of the Central Bank on charges of currency auction sale" Hmmmmm…so they are all being released for lack of a crime or lack of evidence of a crime. It appears we’re down to just a couple of the CBI bosses now. What you wanna’ bet there never was any evidence or crime??
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Med I CANNOT FIND ANYWHERE IN THE GAZETTE WHERE THE AMENDMENT TO THE INVESTMENT LAW TOOK PLACE OR WAS VOTED ON THE 18TH….OR EVEN THE 19TH…I WENT THROUGH SEVERAL HUNDRED ARTICLES THAT WERE POSTED IN THE GAZETTE
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Adam Montana The worst case scenario in my opinion is that the old currency is assigned a lower value and the new currency is given priority, with the intention of removing the old currency permanently and immediately… but that does NOT mean there is no other way to move forward.
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Med THE MOVE TO A FREE MARKET ECONOMY CALLS FOR THE GOI TO GIVE UP CONTROL OF ALL MAJOR REVENUE PRODUCING COMPANIES. THEY CAN ONLY OWN 49% OF THE OIL, THE NATURAL GAS AND ANY OTHER MAJOR REVENUE PRODUCING INDUSTRY. THIS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO MALIKI. WHY? CUZ ALL THE OIL REVENUES PRODUCE THE FUNDS FOR THE GOI TO CONTINUE ITS EXTRAVAGANT WAYS. [post 2 of 2]
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Med ONE MAJOR THING WE ARE LOOKING TO GET INLINE IS THE MOVE TO A FREE MARKET ECONOMY. IT IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ENTER A FREE MARKET ECONOMY WITH NO INTERNATIONALLY TRADEABLE CURRENCY AND IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT AS LONG AS THERE WAS SO MUCH CORRUPTION IN THE GOI THEY HAD NO INTEREST IN MOVING TO A TRADEABLE CURRENCY OR THE FREE MARKET. [post 1 of 2….stay tuned]
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Tlar Talabini would be foolish to call for a vote of no confidence. He's as dirty as the rest of them. They will never call on Maliki to account for his governments corruption because Maliki could call for there arrest on the same charge. It looks as though the elections coming up are the only hope that this government will ever be able to get past this. Even though the elections will be rigged because Maliki gives the election committee its marching orders, at least there will be a definitive leader next time, Maliki. Thats probably better than where we are today as far as the government is concerned.
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Mike "World Bank advisers: political commitment to succeed social safety nets" The World Banks been in there, the IMF’s been there [International Monetary Fund]… What they were basically there for was to make sure the people were going to get treated respectfully and that the social programs are there for them… So they came out and said this needed to get done.
11-24-2012 Newshound Guru Doc There is…much to-do in cyber land about the "raising the value in the coming days" quotes. This to has been misinterpreted by many. This is not a reference to the RV but short term strategies to get the dinar back to the program rate of 1160. Remember with the Iraq and Syria issues. USD was leaving Iraq quickly for these countries. At one point the street value for USD got to 1400. Several articles suggested the citizens were not happy and demanded action by the GOI and CBI. We continue to caution all to view an article from the proper perspective in which it is addressing. As with the currency it is either the short term issue of maintaining program rate or the longer term issue of currency reform.
11-24-2012 Intel Guru Winalot i had a long conversation with a bank currency trader…a different bank that i have never talked to before…the guy was the person that sets the rates for currency at the bank…here is what he said about vnd…his screens show nothing like what we are seeing…he is not seeing the rates we are…he had absolutely no explanation for it. I took him to 6 different sites, let him use my log in, and he was flabbergasted. literally speachless…he is going to do some checking around, he has my number, and will call me if he finds out what is up. He also said that if it were a "glitch" that it would have been corrected by now.
Saturday Afternoon Dinar Chatter
[Mitzi] Okie never got back to us yet about that important meeting in DC yesterday
[BronzeEagle] I believe the meeting Okie was refering to was with the EU finance ministers in Europe. They did not reach an agreement and will not meet agan until Jan/Feb 2013, per Prime Miniser of GB. Heard this on CBS news, (radio) this morining.
[okrocks] Just my opinion but Okie normally refers to ME meetings… perhaps the ones on what to do with M and the 3 pres? Also the Kurd mess… lots of meetings happening over there… we wait
[okrocks] Big battle over there with Kurds and Baghdad on oil contracts… meetings going on… hope its resolved soon
[nolaspice] BronzeEagle you know now everyone will be saying you said not til Feb or March. Hahaha
[nolaspice] I don't care if it was in tim buck too lets just pray they were pressing the button! Whoot whoot. We ready to pay it forward and do great things!
[trebor1859] Any update from shining concering her post 2 weeks ago that th PP were being delivered
MDC Demanded No Confidence & Discussion – Post By Dinar Alert
Tlar: Although I don't believe Talabini will call for a vote of no confidence, if he did Maliki would be removed from office even if it took force to do it. The US is still putting troops in Iraq under the guise they are there to fight terrorism. (More Tlar comments below)
Erbil (Iba) …. MDC demanded the opposition led Nshiroan Kurdish Mustafa withdraw confidence from the Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, and on the back of the formation of the Tigris, came in a roadmap received Asharq Al-Awsat read where I asked President Jalal Talabani, as a protector of the Constitution, and under Article 61 of the Constitution that the request of the Council of Representatives may withdraw confidence from the prime minister (al-Maliki). (Snippet -Full Article & Link Below)
Tammy44 TY, Tgirl. "The waaaaiting is the hardest part" ~ Tom Petty
Sweetpea: It'll be interesting to see whether Talibani responds to the demand. He sure let it slide in the past. Like Tlar, I think Maliki has something on Talibani that is effectively working to keep Talibani off his butt. I've given up on anything being "fair" over there; it just won't happen. I think Maliki is there to stay, regardless how corrupt he is…
Dr. Nan: Even if they are successful with a no confidence vote, does anyone really think Maliki will leave? Nope. "Life is a series of new beginnings!"
Higher Fuel Prices & Discussion – Post By Dinar Alert
Attorney Shara warns of rising fuel prices in the absence of an increase in per capita income Iraqi Ali Abdullah – 11/23/2012 –
Warned a member of the Oil and Energy Committee MP / National Alliance / Furat al-Shara, from high fuel prices in the absence of increased salaries of retirees and employees because it will directly affect the standard of living of the Iraqi people. (Snippet – full article & link below)
bye the sea: Exactly what Russell and Kap described on the call last night. Doubling the fuel prices don't make sense given their economic woes, unless another variable changes. Hopefully that variable is the value of their currency as it increases.
Drsuzn: My thoughts exactly, and it was a great conference call. What other variable could there be? We let this investment come to us and it feels like it is coming quickly at this juncture! Go Dinar, and thank-you everyone involved with Dinaralert.
Thoughts by Longdistancebiker Emailed to Recaps Sat. PM
longdistancebikerider wrote onNovember 23rd, 2012, 1:45 pm:
There are many things to ponder when it comes to this waiting of an RV, but there seems to be one other thing that is forgotten about in the timeline, by the way which is not my timeline.
1. Did not Frank say Hillary will be there in the end? That will not be true when the change occurs at the next inauguration, she will be gone.
2. If International banking is not done between Dec 15 and Jan 15, what better time to have this change come about, before the 15th of December, then they do not have to worry about IB for 30 days, time to get the little bugs worked out.
3. UN meets in Dec and Emir of Kuwait is coming in Mid-Dec to sign all papers so Iraq can get out of Chapter 7, that will not be done if there has not been a RV either.
4. S said, and little S said they wanted to have this start at the beginning of their fiscal year, which is Jan 1, 2013, this has been touted for a long time I believe by both S's. According to little s, it makes no sense to start mid-year or any other time than at the beginning of the year, easier on the book keeping I believe.
The below posts were in our 11am email
Incriminating Document & Discussion – Post By Dinar Alerts
WikiLeaks revealed a new document relating to transfer the U.S. civil governor Paul Bremer sum of one billion and four hundred million dollars to the Kurdistan region, pointing out that they were divided between President Massoud Barzani and Jalal Talabani did not act on the Kurdish people.
The document showed dated 23 June 2003, the U.S. administrator of Iraq Paul Bremer to transfer these amounts, one of the pre-war oil revenues to Kurdistan, and gave it to President Massoud Barzani and Jalal Talabani. (Snippet from article – full article & Link below)
DP: If this is true, maybe it is one of the reasons Talibani is so reluctant to take on Maliki
ZenMaverick ; It is beyond belief that there are human beings that possess a psychopathy so grave. They don't even possess the decency to "skim a little off the top," to which most people would turn a blind eye. I am not yet apathetic about this RV/ free float, but I wonder: Why would anyone invest in such ugliness? I hope in my lifetime we see "open season" declared on bankers and politicians.
Tlar: This is why Talabini would be foolish to call for a vote of noconfidence. He's as dirty as the rest of them. They will never call on Maliki to account for his governments corruption because Maliki could call for there arrest on the same charge.
News, Rumors, and Opinions in Dinarland Saturday Morning
[devildogmom] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. God bless the troops, God bless America and her allies, and God bless all of you! … Semper Fi Marines! Love you
[Cyndee49] My new motto "Been down so long it feels like Up to me"
[xyz] European banks urge one-year delay for Basel III rules http://economictimes.ind ··· 9828.cms The tougher rules are the world's regulatory response to the 2007-09 financial crisis and would force banks to triple the amount of basic capital they hold in a bid to avoid future taxpayer bailouts.http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/european-banks-urge-one-year-delay-for-basel-iii-rules/articleshow/17349828.cms
[xyz] hmm … 'salaries scale' http://www.alliraqnews.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&id=23261 and- http://www.alliraqnews.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&id=23243 "The budget law draft has been discussed during two sessions of the Parliament which is a beginning for endorsing the 2013 budget."
[flashing] Vietnam's inflation accelerated for a third month in November to the highest since May as the government pushes banks to increase lending. Inflation is at risk of accelerating toward the end of the year as the government encourages banks to cut lending rates and help businesses.
Med Chat – Post By Ksdunlap Dinar Speculator
Med (03:36:55): I WAS READING THE POST AND I EDITED IT ON THE MEETING BETWEEN TALIBANI AND BARZANI IT SUGGESTS THAT ALLAWI REFUSED TO ATTEND THAT IS NOT QUITE TRUE
WHAT IT IS ABOUT IS THAT THE DECISION HAS NOT BEEN MADE BY BARZANI OR TALIBANI IF THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPORT IT
ALLAWI SAID MAKE YOUR DECISION AND THEN COME TO ME SADR SAID TO THEM HE HAS 40 VOTES AGAINST MALIKI WAITING JUST GET ON WITH WHAT YOU DECIDE
SO THAT IS ACTUALLY WHAT IT SAYS…..
JUST READ SLOWER AND SEPARATE THE SENTENCES ONE BY ONE AND YOU WILL FIND MOST EVERY SENTENCE BEGINS AND ENDS THE SAME ISSUE AND DOESNT CARRY INTO ANOTHER SENTENCE….. OH THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR THE LESSON LOL
Tidbit Rumors & Opinions – Post By Dinar Detectives
Doc: We are…well aware of all the positive articles on chapter 7 and HCl and 2013 budget and..etc. We would suggest to all to look at the history of the GOI delivering on what and when it says it will do something. Unfortunately they have little creditability along these lines.
Do not misunderstand our comments here, we are encouraged that these things are in the forefront but we do not concur with the optimistic timelines as reported by others. Yes, we concur that if the GOI would enact these things the journey would be quickly over but we believe the snails place will continue for a while with the end of this year now a distant hope.
Joey: Article quotes: "Implementation without delay'', "The 1st day of the next month." All they have to do is implement the Custom Tariffs Act and they will become members of the WTO. And what does this do? It shuts down the borders to Iran (Hmmmm, sounds like Dec. 1st to me?).
"They Are Working Together Again" – Post By Newmonies
11-23-12 Newmonies: AGAIN MORE REALLY GOOD NEWS. LOOKS AS IF WHAT WE THOUGHT WASN'T HAPPENING DID HAPPEN. OK IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT THE U.S. & THE UN STEPPED IN AND RATTLED THEIR CAGES.
LOOK ALLAWI HAD SAID MANY TIMES THAT HE WASNT GOING TO COOPERATE WITH MALIKI.
MALIKI HAD CROSSED EVERY LINE POSSIBLE AND BARZANI WELL WE ALL KNOW WHERE HE STANDS WITH MALIKI. THEN THE ONE TRYING TO PUT THIS WHOLE PROBLEM TO REST HAD EVEN GOTTEN HIS FILL OF MALIKI AND HIS SLC.
JUST LAST WEEK THEY WERE ALL WALKING AWAY FROM THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.
THEN BAM !!! SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO TURN THIS RIGHT BACK AROUND AND THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER AGAIN. EVEN JAAFARI IS BACK IN THE MIX AND HEADED TO ARBIL THIS COMING WEEK. SO YOU TELL ME WHAT COULD HAVE CAUSED THEM TO JUST DECIDE TO WALK BACK INTO THESE MEETINGS.
CAN YOU SAY THE GOOD OLD USA. WE PUT A BOOT IN THEIR BUTT, THATS THE AMERICAN WAY. SO EVERY GOOD NEWS OUT THIS MORNING. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT NEXT WEEK HOLDS FOR US.
Winalot and MIG Members Chat Friday Evening
[winalot] i had a long conversation with a bank currency trader…. a different bank that i have never talked to before… the guy was the person that sets the rates for currency at the bank…here is what he said about vnd
[winalot] his screens show nothing like what we are seeing… he had absolutely no explanation for it.. I took him to 6 different sites, let him use my log in, and he was flabbergasted. literally speachless
[perky2] winalot why
[winalot] he is going to do some checking around, he has my number, and will call me if he finds out what is up. He also said that if it were a "glitch" that it would have been corrected by now
[RVThereYet] winalot Why was he Flabbergasted?
[winalot] RVThereYet because he is not seeing the rates we are… had no idea
[perky2] it didnt say what his were
RVThereYet] winalot what was he seeing?
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